People are logical
A follow-up to a previous post on the apparent biological basis of logicality. Specifically, I said:
> As in, whatever the contents of your mind, your feelings and actions
> flow logically and consistently from them.
Let me clarify a little:
It’s all in how you look at the word logical, and contrast it with the word rational. See, all the irrational actions of people the world over are highly logical:
1) It’s exceedingly hard to do things contrary to one’s most deeply held principles (feelings get in the way; feelings are kind of a speedy comparison of a situation to one’s principles; the rough description: good feelings = go, bad feelings = don’t go), and it’s really really easy to do things that are in alignment with one’s most deeply held principles.
2) Many people have never stopped to ask what their most deeply held principles are, although they have absorbed them (whatever mongrel principles they may be) over the course of their life, from all the ready sources: family, friends, culture, media, etc etc.
3) Becase we can, with work, identify our base principles, and because people have the power to change many aspects of themselves, it follows that with (considerable) work, people can identify and change their base principles. A change in principle thus results in a change in feelings regarding a given situation, and a change of easiest-behavior.
Now, it is true that people can do things that are hard, and exercise their "will" in apparent contrast to their apparent values, i.e. people don’t always take the easiest route. (Here I would actually argue that this is far rarer than it would seem; you’re usually swapping values, so that your new action is contrary to an old value, but consistent with a new value; I’m not even sure if complete arbitrariness is even possible, but that’s another discussion). But you’ll never convince me that the millions and billions of people doing stupid, irrational, hostile, violent things with considerable moral, emotional, and physical consequences are ALL working AGAINST deep principles that are diametrically opposed to those stupid actions. I would actually argue that most people act consistently with their values, such as they are (and the are usually not good - they are often contradictory and prevent having a healthy, active mind). In this consistency, people can be said to be behaving logically, i.e. given a set of principles, what actions flow logically from them? Answer: the muck that you typically see from people. People, by and large, behave logically.
But that doesn’t make them rational. I think rational is a broader term with higher standards. Logic is just a computer - you get out what you put into it. Many people are irrational because the starting points of their logical actions (i.e. their principles) are flawed, contradictory, and inconsistent. If you start with principles that are incompatible with happiness, you can never be fully happy, although you may achieve a modicum of happiness cobbled together from unrelated consequences. If you start with principles that are not logically compatible with each other (i.e. are contradictory with one another, partially or completely, on one or more levels) you will never be able to lead a fully rational, integrated life; some aspects of your life will always clash.
Hence the widespread compartmentalization of people’s minds. Rather than address the root issue, it’s often easier to just try to prevent communication between different parts of your life, thereby reducing the frequency of shitty conflicts, conundrums, and dilemmas you experience (religion and science as separate epistemological compartments are exceedingly common, including for many professors, like my advisor).
But it does nothing to address the root problem, and if the shit hits the fan, you have no recourse to action except to complain that life is full of shitty conflicts, that life isn’t fair, that people aren’t meant to be happy, that death and taxes are the only sure thing, that life isn’t logical, and that rationality is overrated at best, false at worst. Of course, life is logical, it’s just that what we give it is crap to start with, oftentimes.
The alternative is, of course, to explicitly identify and evaluate your most basic values and principles - the axioms of your life, the things you won’t (can’t) ever betray or refute or contradict or hide from. This is really hard, but for motivated long-term thinkers, the payoff is so obvious and so extraordinary that the initial energy expenditure is dwarfed by comparison. Hence the on-going revision of my life. The revision pays dividends en route, of course, which makes things easier, and I expect it to be, more or less, a life-long journey for me. Even if someone told me I’d never achieve complete consistency at the end of my very long life, I’d still say it was worth it. Seeing how emotionally tortured, twisted, and mangled many people are - and they only barely realize it, and yet it governs their life like the most totalitarian of dictators - makes the decision virtually automatic for me. The alternative is so awful, that NOT climbing Mt. Everest is simply not an option.
Is the logicality of the human mind more obvious, now? The mind being a suped-up computer, of sorts, I think it makes sense. GIGO - garbage in, garbage out; or, gold in, gold out. Rationality is not assured, even in logically-operating minds - it must be chosen, and it is (logically) the option with the highest rewards. And it is the best way to operate, on all levels, given a certain set of goals that I think most people would consider desireable (happiness, health, security, success, achievement, preparedness, etc.)

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So you defined logic as “determinism”. How does the logical-brain theory explain akrasia?
Comment by Vladimir — June 22, 2006 @ 8:38 pm
Well… “determinism” comes with a whole kit and kaboodle of history, implications, variants, and all the rest. Let me bypass all that and say that I’ve NOT defined logic, merely described how it works in some instances.
Also, remember logic is just a tool, a process of the mind (although deeply ingrained and, in the vast majority of cases, scarily unavoidable, in whatever twisted ways one chooses to employ it); there are other properties of the human mind that can (and do) over-ride the evidence of logic all the time. The central, defining capacity of the human mind is its *capacity* for self-conscious, rational thought and action. It’s no guarantee though.
Aside from the fact that it sounds like psychologists have given a pathological term to “poor judgement”, (and I object to that), akrasia (and I suspect many other forms of irrationality) is simply the superficial swapping of values/goals, such that the resulting action is consistent with whatever value the person holds higher, excuses of “I know better than that” absolutely notwithstanding. Saying one knows something is not the same as actually knowing it, believing it, investigating it inside and out, *seeing* it from the inside out.
My “logical brain theory” in no way discounts the potency of volition; nor does it side-step the power of emotion and feeling. Rather, emotion and feeling are the logical product of the principles and values residing most deeply (and usually unconsciously) in one’s mind. What one decides to do with the feelings, knowledge, and remaining particulars is another matter altogether. One can harness the power of logic, and investigate oneself, the situation at hand, or be blindly tossed about by the chaos of whatever life (and your brain) throws at you.
[PS: giving “poor judgement” and “irresponsibility” the dignity of a medical diagnosis implies some kind of usurping of the conscious, volitional mind by the body - one’s genetics, trauma, or other physical ailments - thereby justifying the cries of “I couldn’t help it!” of the spineless, human-by-accident creatures out there. Now, it may be that there are medical conditions producing these effects; however, from the article you linked, I didn’t get the impression that the term was restricted to such people, but applied to anyone exhibiting spinelessness.]
Comment by praxical — June 22, 2006 @ 9:13 pm